Comments on: Level 3 and 4 Roller-Ski Training

By: davord

davord — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 06:00:16 +0000

Carefully look at my previous comment. I didn’t say we were the best club or had the best results. Where our club was 10 years ago and where it is now and where it is heade is not even a comparison, it has blossomed. The only reason we might not be having ‘as much’ success as some other clubs is history. And only time will tell, believe me. I guess you can compare BSF to Sun Valley. My understanding is that their club did not have many x-c skiers and look where they are now. We are on a similar path. There isn’t one club that reigns over everybody. There is A LOT of good clubs here in the states, from SMS to AWS, Sun Valley, etc. It’s good to see. Give us a few more years and you’ll see what I mean. Maybe even this year…

By: nordic_dave

nordic_dave — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 04:20:35 +0000

BSF does not trump a number of successful U.S. based club ski programs, one of them is in your back yard so be careful in overstating the success of your program. To be sure, it is a very good club and glad to see your team’s achievements as I have watched your dad for a few years now at Soldier Hollow, SV and Yellowstone to name a few places of observation. I also recall someone telling me Leif Zimmerman as having an usually high Max Vo2 score.

I also think I remember what you might look like if I guess your age to be late teens early twenties?

If I am correct on who you are, your perspective is most interesting.

By: davord

davord — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:18:08 +0000

No, I am his son. He has a bachelor’s degree and masters degree in exercise science/physiology, meaning he knows what he knows what he is talking about, and I think our clubs results for the last ten years or so really bear that out. Am I biased, perhaps, but there are good reasons why.

By: nordic_dave

nordic_dave — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:48:37 +0000

You are the tall dark haired coach at BSF who brings legions of kids to West Yellowstone? Yes I have seen you around I think.
Stop and say hello sometime!

By: davord

davord — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:27:34 +0000

I am orginally from Belgrade, Serbia. I have skied for 11 years with the Bridger Ski Foundation in Bozeman, Montana.

By: nordic_dave

nordic_dave — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:09:14 +0000

Ahh well davord for a guy who recently stated that you were reticent to particepate in this type of forum for a obvious reasons. You have exploded in thought and opinion.
Yes I see your point. HOWEVER, I have also followed Jan Helgerud’s (Norwegian/Sport Physiologist) training philosophy for years and like you have sometimes found a different way that works best for me. My good friend and neighbor Torbjorn Karlsen started this website. I have tremendous respect for Torbjorn and what he has accomplished through out his coaching years. When Torbjorn speaks to me in a very direct manner I listen. Yet he and I can also have a healthy and robust conversation and difference in opinion in regards of “How to..when to…and why” in regards to my own personal training. I still have great respect for his and Jan’s thoughts and science yet adapt to them at different times of the year. There are many times when intensity or threshold level must be reduced or increased for a variety of reasons that I won’t go into.

You haven’t told us much about where you are actually from and where you typically ski. That might also be interesting information to have to understand your perspective..

Cheers!

By: davord

davord — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:58:38 +0000

Thanks. Sorry, I am just pretty passionate about skiing, and this being an Olympic year, it just magnifies it even more.

By: T. Baucom

T. Baucom — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:52:54 +0000

Well put. I agree and understand what you getting at now.
Thanks

By: davord

davord — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:50:18 +0000

That’s what I am trying to get at. I think I am being misunderstood. I just wanted to state what myself and my club have been doing for years and just trying to compare what we do to what someone else does. Perhaps I should not have bolted out of the gate with stating what I stated. This isn’t attacking anyone, I am just stating an opinion. Am I backpedaling a little bit here, sure, because I think I started a little too sharp with my criticizm and concerns. This is for people to know that I am just putting up here a different method of training, for the sake of having a good conversation regarding training. Am I saying what I do is spot on and that everyone should do as I do, no, is Gjerdalen doing it the right way, perhaps, maybe not, at least not last year. This article, in my opinion, was just written to give out suggestions, or tips on how intervals should be done this time of year, and I think we should have more of them I just wanted to add something to it, get people going and see what others come up with, because I believe that we all support our individuals, clubs and national teams very much and would like to see them ski as fast they possibly can. To state that everyone does things differently was perhaps a mistake, because that’s pretty obvious.

By: T. Baucom

T. Baucom — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:34:29 +0000

Davord,

You clearly state in your first post that “Intervals should not be done ‘early in the season.’ They should start at about this time or even early September”, and you give the example of ONE skier, who, as it turns out, if tronfl info is correct, is merely recovering from an over trained season.
You are very much entitled to your opinion that intervals should not start until nowish, but then in your latest post emphasize your point that “not everyone trains the same, and not everyone starts intervals at the same time”

I think your back pedaling like woe