Comments on: SuperTour Finals “Tour de Ski” to Attract Top Racers: Juniors to Race Head to Head With the Best http://fasterskier.com/2010/03/supertour-finals-%e2%80%9ctour-de-ski%e2%80%9d-to-attract-top-racers-juniors-to-race-head-to-head-with-the-best/ FasterSkier: Cross-Country Ski, Biathlon, and Nordic Combined Racing, Training and News Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:23:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: cork1http://fasterskier.com/2010/03/supertour-finals-%e2%80%9ctour-de-ski%e2%80%9d-to-attract-top-racers-juniors-to-race-head-to-head-with-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-2057 cork1 Sat, 06 Mar 2010 23:25:04 +0000 http://fasterskier.com/?p=68672#comment-2057 @Cloxkki -- Organizers don't pay out prize money to those hoping to maintain their amateurism (i.e., juniors, collegiates). The money which is "saved" remains in the organizer's budgets. When there was a U23 bonus, having a junior/under-23 racer win a race could save organizers around $1250. The season-long prize money was, as far as I'm aware, to come from USSA, completely separate from race organizing committees. @Cloxkki –

Organizers don’t pay out prize money to those hoping to maintain their amateurism (i.e., juniors, collegiates). The money which is “saved” remains in the organizer’s budgets. When there was a U23 bonus, having a junior/under-23 racer win a race could save organizers around $1250.

The season-long prize money was, as far as I’m aware, to come from USSA, completely separate from race organizing committees.

]]> By: cork1http://fasterskier.com/2010/03/supertour-finals-%e2%80%9ctour-de-ski%e2%80%9d-to-attract-top-racers-juniors-to-race-head-to-head-with-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-2056 cork1 Sat, 06 Mar 2010 23:18:40 +0000 http://fasterskier.com/?p=68672#comment-2056 USSA is the sanctioning body, much like the Major League Baseball is a sanctioning body. I'm sure the Twins could play baseball without Bud Selig, but they wouldn't be able to win the AL Central without MLB. Chapter One of the Competition Guide, specifically the "Getting Started" section, outlines this. If you hold a USSA licence, you got this in the mail; if not: http://www.ussa.org/magnoliaPublic/dms/athletics/comp-services/docs/compguides/Nordic_Comp_Guide/comp_guide_nordic.pdf I believe the current cost for hosting an National Ranking List event is $400. An NRL race gets you USSA points. Making the race FIS eligible is an additional $200. This gets racers FIS points. [I could be wrong on these exact figures, but that's off the top of my head; regardless, about that much.] Both are needed by racers for seeding in larger NRL and FIS events. In a manner of speaking, then, I guess USSA gets a share of the entry fee -- organizers generally will charge more for an NRL than regular race to defray these costs. USSA trains officials (which must be present at NRL/FIS events), maintains the NRL, provides guidance, etc. Look around here: http://www.ussa.org/magnoliaPublic/ussa/en/formembers/officials/education.html Lots of stuff about what role USSA plays, what organizers must do, etc. I suppose that this will now spiral into a debate. USSA is the sanctioning body, much like the Major League Baseball is a sanctioning body. I’m sure the Twins could play baseball without Bud Selig, but they wouldn’t be able to win the AL Central without MLB. Chapter One of the Competition Guide, specifically the “Getting Started” section, outlines this. If you hold a USSA licence, you got this in the mail; if not:

http://www.ussa.org/magnoliaPublic/dms/athletics/comp-services/docs/compguides/Nordic_Comp_Guide/comp_guide_nordic.pdf

I believe the current cost for hosting an National Ranking List event is $400. An NRL race gets you USSA points. Making the race FIS eligible is an additional $200. This gets racers FIS points. [I could be wrong on these exact figures, but that's off the top of my head; regardless, about that much.] Both are needed by racers for seeding in larger NRL and FIS events. In a manner of speaking, then, I guess USSA gets a share of the entry fee — organizers generally will charge more for an NRL than regular race to defray these costs. USSA trains officials (which must be present at NRL/FIS events), maintains the NRL, provides guidance, etc.

Look around here: http://www.ussa.org/magnoliaPublic/ussa/en/formembers/officials/education.html
Lots of stuff about what role USSA plays, what organizers must do, etc.

I suppose that this will now spiral into a debate.

]]> By: Cloxxkihttp://fasterskier.com/2010/03/supertour-finals-%e2%80%9ctour-de-ski%e2%80%9d-to-attract-top-racers-juniors-to-race-head-to-head-with-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-2055 Cloxxki Sat, 06 Mar 2010 23:14:47 +0000 http://fasterskier.com/?p=68672#comment-2055 So, some prizes were not collected due to race eligibility rules, while others, largely dependent on prize money to fund a season, are denied to get it, due to budget problems? So, some prizes were not collected due to race eligibility rules, while others, largely dependent on prize money to fund a season, are denied to get it, due to budget problems?

]]> By: teamepokeedsbynhttp://fasterskier.com/2010/03/supertour-finals-%e2%80%9ctour-de-ski%e2%80%9d-to-attract-top-racers-juniors-to-race-head-to-head-with-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-2054 teamepokeedsbyn Sat, 06 Mar 2010 21:54:17 +0000 http://fasterskier.com/?p=68672#comment-2054 Confused. Than why is it called "USSA Super Tour"? What of value does USSA contribute to this series, if not prize money? Does USSA or USSA X-C get a share of the entry fee? Confused. Than why is it called “USSA Super Tour”? What of value does USSA contribute to this series, if not prize money? Does USSA or USSA X-C get a share of the entry fee?

]]> By: cork1http://fasterskier.com/2010/03/supertour-finals-%e2%80%9ctour-de-ski%e2%80%9d-to-attract-top-racers-juniors-to-race-head-to-head-with-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-2053 cork1 Sat, 06 Mar 2010 21:37:41 +0000 http://fasterskier.com/?p=68672#comment-2053 Organizers are responsible for the majority of those cash prizes, not USSA. Kudos to MWSC for stepping up. Page three: http://www.ussa.org/magnoliaPublic/dms/athletics/cross-country/docs/ST-Newsletter-08_09/ST%20Newsletter%2008_09.pdf Organizers are responsible for the majority of those cash prizes, not USSA. Kudos to MWSC for stepping up.

Page three: http://www.ussa.org/magnoliaPublic/dms/athletics/cross-country/docs/ST-Newsletter-08_09/ST%20Newsletter%2008_09.pdf

]]> By: Cloxxkihttp://fasterskier.com/2010/03/supertour-finals-%e2%80%9ctour-de-ski%e2%80%9d-to-attract-top-racers-juniors-to-race-head-to-head-with-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-2049 Cloxxki Sat, 06 Mar 2010 12:22:03 +0000 http://fasterskier.com/?p=68672#comment-2049 I was thinking the same recently in another context. Serious cash invest in ski testing in Vancouver, but the relatively low prizes in the Supertour being cut shortly before. Can't an event sponsor step forward and publically make things right? With the "crisis", companies took opportunity to take relatively small amount off the purchase power of their workers. Next years managers get nice bonusses again, but what do the cut, and still loyal, employees get? Let's first see if these 2010 prizes will really be paid. It's a hard year, after all. Olympics didn't pan out too well. Bad for sponsors. You get the idea. The race setup seems totally awesome though. Racing against the best North Americans. In Dutch MTB racing, the Juniors start together with, or shortly behind the Elite men, and just have their own race duration. They get to taste the speed though. The 18-23 riders are always at the line with the Elites, fighting among Olympic medaillists. Learning goes quickly, even if you're being lapped by them. I can attest to the latter more than the former. Important that top elites keep showing up to national races, setting the pace and not treating it like a training. I was thinking the same recently in another context. Serious cash invest in ski testing in Vancouver, but the relatively low prizes in the Supertour being cut shortly before. Can’t an event sponsor step forward and publically make things right?

With the “crisis”, companies took opportunity to take relatively small amount off the purchase power of their workers. Next years managers get nice bonusses again, but what do the cut, and still loyal, employees get?

Let’s first see if these 2010 prizes will really be paid. It’s a hard year, after all. Olympics didn’t pan out too well. Bad for sponsors. You get the idea.

The race setup seems totally awesome though. Racing against the best North Americans.
In Dutch MTB racing, the Juniors start together with, or shortly behind the Elite men, and just have their own race duration. They get to taste the speed though. The 18-23 riders are always at the line with the Elites, fighting among Olympic medaillists. Learning goes quickly, even if you’re being lapped by them. I can attest to the latter more than the former.
Important that top elites keep showing up to national races, setting the pace and not treating it like a training.

]]> By: crashtestxchttp://fasterskier.com/2010/03/supertour-finals-%e2%80%9ctour-de-ski%e2%80%9d-to-attract-top-racers-juniors-to-race-head-to-head-with-the-best/comment-page-1/#comment-2047 crashtestxc Sat, 06 Mar 2010 06:14:33 +0000 http://fasterskier.com/?p=68672#comment-2047 Haha! What a joke! How about using some of that $16,000 to pay out LAST years SuperTour winners?! There's an idea... Haha! What a joke! How about using some of that $16,000 to pay out LAST years SuperTour winners?! There’s an idea…

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